The effects of a number of factors, notably leaf mining insects, on the longevity of beech and holm oak leaves have been studied. The regular monitoring of individually labelled leaves was complemented by analysis of leaf fall data. Both methods confirm that these mining insects have only a slight impact on their host trees. The presence of first generation Phyllonorycter maestingella mines on beech leaves and winter generation P. messaniella mines on holm oak leaves accelerates leaf loss. Beech leaves mined by second generation P. maestingella and Rhynchaenus fagi did not show this accelerated loss. Their patterns of leaf fall can be explained by within-tree variation in both mine distribution and the timing of leaf fall. It is argued that this premature leaf fall is a damage response, and is not an attempt by the tree to regulate miner numbers.