Ray chaos theory and parabolic equation numerical modeling were two thrusts of Fred Tappert’s research that were perpetually in tension. Fred was interested in the problem of identifying wave propagation regimes, most notably the strong focusing caustic regime and its evolution into the saturation regime. On the one hand, chaos theory held the seed of the complexity Fred believed existed in ocean acoustic wavefields; on the other hand ocean acoustic ray chaos theory (which Fred helped to pioneer) was a disdainful approximation to the full wave treatments offered by parabolic equation calculations. Fred was convinced that the saturation limit could not be obtained using ray theory and therefore he examined a new field of inquiry: a blend of chaotic ray insight and full wave dynamics called wave chaos. This talk will discuss some of Fred’s insights on this topic and how they relate to observations from basin scale acoustic transmissions.